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Even Harvard Negroes Sing the Blues (A Negromancer Delight)
By Leroy S. Douresseaux
Jul 27, 2009 - 9:21:24 AM

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In the novel Devil in a Blue Dress by Walter Mosley, the beloved character Raymond “Mouse” Alexander tells the following to his friend Easy Rawlins:

"You learn stuff and you be thinkin’ like white men be thinkin.’ You be thinkin’ that what’s right fo’ them is right fo’ you.  She [the titular character, Ruby Hanks a.k.a. Daphne] look like she white and you think like you white.  But brother you don’t know that you both poor niggers.  And a nigger ain’t never gonna be happy ‘less he accept what he is."

The recent arrest of Henry Louis Gates Jr., one of the nation's most prominent African-American scholars, on a charge of disorderly conduct, has stirred outrage and debate.  The first thing I thought of was Mouse.

Apparently, the Gates event began when he returned to his home in Cambridge (Mass.) from a trip to China.  He reportedly was unable to open his front door because it was jammed and gained entrance through the rear of the house.  Meanwhile, a white police officer, Sgt. James Crowley, was responding to a call about a potential break-in by two men at Gates’ home near Harvard University.

According to the police report, Gates was in the foyer when Sgt. Crowley arrived.  Crowley, 42, apparently demanded that Gates show him identification.  Police say Gates at first refused, flew into a rage, and accused the officer of racism.  The rest of the story involves conflicting versions of demands for identification and badge numbers and perhaps an invitation from Crowley for Gates to step outside so the 42-year-old officer could arrest the apparently belligerent scholar.  Gates was accused of “tumultuous” behavior toward Sgt. Crowley, but charges of disorderly conduct were later dropped.

The 58-year-old Henry Louis Gates Jr. is known as “Skip” to his friends (one of which is President Barack Obama) and colleagues.  Gates is the director of the W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for African and African-American Research at Harvard University.  He is also a literary critic, an award-winning author (The Signifying Monkey), and an acclaimed documentary filmmaker for PBS (the African American Lives series).

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Skip Gates the mug shot

Who knows what happened other than Gates and Crowley?  They probably both overreacted, and Gates yelling at Crowley was, is, and always will be a bad idea.  As a rule, I avoid cops, and I don’t speak to them even if the opportunity arises, as I find many too prickly and overly sensitive when dealing with black men.  I’ve personally witnessed officers of the law beating unarmed black men on several occasions.  [I once had a job that brought me into proximity with police officers.]  But this article is not about that.

What struck me as the Gates story broke early in the week of July 19th was how many black people were shocked not so much because Gates was arrested, but because a so highly acclaimed, intellectual, accomplished black man was.  Some African-Americans were not only outraged, but also shocked and so deeply saddened; one woman spoke of tears coming to her eyes.  It seems as if some of us black people consider it normal for mean old white cops to abuse black street ruffians and your run-of-the-mill Negro, but Oh-Lawdie-No! it’s so abnormal and cosmically wrong for the police to arrest/abuse an African-American HARVARD PROFESSOR!!!

As Desdemona said to Othello, “Nigga, puh-lease!”  If we are to believe that cops (white, black, Latino, etc.) profile and treat black citizens (especially black males) with suspicion and prejudice because they’re black, it stands to reason that any black male regardless of social status will face the same discriminatory treatment from a bigoted cop.  So let’s beat our breasts and shed our tears for random Negro X being abused by cops just as we do for Henry “Skip” Gates: summa cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Yale; MacArthur “genius grant” recipient; acclaimed historian, Harvard professor and PBS documentarian; one of Time magazine's “25 Most Influential Americans” in 1997; and holder of 50 honorary degrees.

Let’s make Jaleel from the block getting a cop beat down a national issue.  But that’s not going to happen.  Some black kid getting his ass kicked by cops in Houston’s Fifth Ward or New Orleans’ projects (or Gotham City’s Crime Alley, hee-hee) just doesn’t warrant the same heartbreak as the humiliation-by-pig suffered by African American summa cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Yale; MacArthur “genius grant” recipient; acclaimed historian, Harvard professor and PBS documentarian; one of Time magazine's “25 Most Influential Americans” in 1997; and holder of 50 honorary degrees.  Why?

Part of the legacy of the Civil Rights movement is that many black people believed that if they had the chance to fit into mainstream society, all or at least most of the white people would learn to like them.  Black people wouldn’t seem so different, and we’d all sit around Dr. King’s Arthurian table of brotherhood and hold hands.  Why, if us darkies could only learn to speak whitey’s big words, read his canonical literature, embrace his culture, and get that college degree, then, we’d stop being nigras and start seeming like normal Americans.  Fat chance.

Black people have spent decades and likely billions of dollars straightening their coarse hair, bleaching their skin, being educated, and trying to mainstream the way they walk, talk, and act.  But even Merlin can’t hide the truth – that unforgivable blackness… or brownness… or duskiness of our complexion.  Our skin color, or “race” as it is incorrectly termed, shapes and defines us as it does no other group of Americans.  We don’t live in a kingdom of the blind, so black people’s social and professional status can’t hide their skin color.

It’s disingenuous for Bill Cosby to go around preaching that black people’s problems will be solved if they’d only start annunciating their “R’s” and “ing’s” and get a doctorate.  Getting an excellent education is an excellent idea.  Too many African-Americans, however, think that this should make them immune to bigotry.  They start to close their eyes to the plight of poor and under-educated black people, believing that plight has nothing to do with racism – that is until they’re ready to be down with people again the first time they feel slighted.

That’s why blacks from the middle and upper classes are so outraged by the arrest of Gates, he of the summa cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Yale; MacArthur “genius grant” recipient; acclaimed historian, Harvard professor and PBS documentarian; one of Time magazine's “25 Most Influential Americans” in 1997; and holder of 50 honorary degrees.  If this acclaimed Negro can be handcuffed and hauled off his property by cops, what does that mean for the rest of them?

This belief that Gates is somehow above the humiliation of (alleged) mistreatment by cops is why President Obama felt so very fine about putting his foot in his mouth and commenting on Gates’ arrest.  This from a man who as a candidate for President of the United States tip-toed around the Jena Six, and these young black men were the ones actually at the mercy of a white district attorney who was a black-hating racist bully.

Sgt. James Crowley is well-liked by his black peers, and in recent days, many have stepped forward to both praise and support him.  Obama, Gates, and Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick (who also “stupidly” jumped into this mess) will soon find themselves groveling for the sake of political expediency.  Republicans and conservatives are already portraying Crowley as a shining knight, even if for that one moment in time in Prof. Gates’ home, he might not have been so shiny.  But even an ordinary colored boy like me can correctly answer this question:  in a dispute involving (1) two Harvard-educated black men and (2) a white working class cop, which one is going to end up being portrayed as the victim?

President Obama says that this incident with Gates is a teachable moment.  He’s right, but I’d prefer that for this lesson my professor be Raymond “Mouse” Alexander.




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Bah... Obama caved in... What a loser.
#1 - Herve St-Louis - 07/27/2009 - 12:16
Racism: It's Everywhere
While I can't say that I know the sting of subtle racism from cops, I do have plenty of experience with blatant racism from random people on the Internet who use the anonymity to spew hate. You should see the kind of comments we occasionally get on our own videos on our YouTube Channel.

I may be white, but the fact that I wear something to cover my head, letting people see that I'm Jewish, makes the racist in them suddenly jump out, and all of the stereotypes their head collected over their years spews out.

Racism, quite unfortunately, is everywhere. White on Black racism and vice versa, Mulsim on Jew racism and vice versa, the perpetuation of stereotypes. It never ends.
#2 - Eli Green - 07/27/2009 - 13:22
"Who knows what happened"? There's video and police reports. Gates was repeatedly warned to settle down, he even invoked Crowley's mother..yes it's documented. Gauging from recent tapes made public Gates has an ongoing issue with "whitey"..I'm quoting Gates. Obama on the other hand should have never got involved in a localised incident the he admits he knew nothing about. Futhermore, Crowley saved the life of a prominent black sportsman a few years ago. No Crowley's done nothing wrong...this is all about Gates' prejudices, and Obama's inability to remove himself from "community organizer" mode. Crowley just did his job.
#3 - Tel... - 07/27/2009 - 19:54
My wife's third cousin is married to a bl...
"Futhermore, Crowley saved the life of a prominent black sportsman a few years ago."

The number of times I heard similar arguments as "my wife's third cousin is black so I'm not racist." is astounding. Yeah, Crowley saved some guy's life. He was doing his job. He wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't serve and protect all citizens in his jurisdiction.

Now, whether Crowley is racist or not, I don't care. That's his business. Is he the victim here? No he's not. He's not the one who was humiliated and taken to the precinct.

But then Obama already caved in and let people who discriminate and profile but don't even notice get away with the wrong they did. If Gates was such a criminal, why didn't the charges stick?
#4 - Herve St-Louis - 07/27/2009 - 21:14
Don't be afraid to use your full name...
Tel...

There is even MORE audio and also documents and reports from the police that make Gates look like less of a villain, which is what the Cambridge PD would like to make him out to be.

Obama weighing in in support of his friend has nothing to do with Obama having been a community organizer. Why are some people still obsessed with that? And when a "local issue" has national implications, then, the President should speak to it.
#5 - Leroy Douresseaux - 07/27/2009 - 21:30

Well, what do expect. What do you think is going to happen to you when you try to pick a fight with a cop. Mr Professor got what he deserved. He thought he was too high and mighty to have to answer questions from a cop. Guess he's not that smart after all. If there is one thing I have learned in life, and I'm white with a college education, its that you NEVER mess with the police. If a cop says jump, you say how high?. They are the street judges that keep us safe from the human animals. Officer Crowley had every right to confront Gates. He didn't know who he was. All he knew was that supposedly someone had broken into a house, and upon entering it, there was Gates. All Gates had to do was say he was the owner and produce his ID. The cop would have said OK, is everything all right here? Gates would have said yes, and the officer would have left, back on his patrol. Obviously, Gates wanted to pick a fight, and he rightfully got his head kicked in for it. The police don't take shit. That's how they keep America safe. With an Iron Fist. That's all that most criminals understand. I have a sister who had a little too much to drink and talked some shit to the cops that pulled her over. She also got what she deserved. A night in jail. People need to understand. The cops don't care who you are and rightfully so. If you screw with them, you will quickly find yourself under arrest. That power is what keeps us all safe.
And for those who think that all cops have something against blacks, well, the fact is that most violent crimes are committed by blacks. And secondly by hispanics. So yeah, your the two groups they watch and mistrust the most. What do you expect?
If I ever become a cop, you can bet I'll be watching those two groups the most two.
So lets drop the racist crap and get real.
#6 - Logan6 - 08/04/2009 - 02:23
Hey Logan...
What happened to serve and to protect? I thought that was the first mission of police officers. I didn't know their jobs was to terrorize people and scare them like the gestapo, the way you describe it.

Police officers are not street judges. They have the power to make many critical calls, but they are not above the laws. Their jobs is not to keep human animals in line either. In fact, I didn't know we had human animals. What kind of specie is that?

Police officers, who as you suggested that have existing prejudices against one group or another cannot perform their job thoroughly and objectively, as they are required. Every situation a police officer comes into is a new one and he is expected to use his brains to figure out the setting and the level of threat. He's not supposed to just barge in.

Keeping America safe, with an iron fist, is closer to what places like China and North Korea are known for. America is not about herding people with an iron fist. It's about the freedoms, the rights and responsibilities of each citizen. It is from these, that police officers get their powers as law enforcers. Your vision of the United States is highly dictatorial, and this is not what people associate with this great land of yours.

And about your skewed stats on violent crime, you have it wrong. Blacks and Hispanics are more likely to get arrested and convicted than other ethnic groups. From the research I have observed, they are not more prone to crime than other group.

Poverty, which runs in every racial group in the US is a better predicator of crime rates, than racial origin.

And about dropping the racist crap, you're the one who's view is clearly racist here. When you assume that two racial groups are more likely to commit crimes and argue therefore that being suspicious of them b y default is the right thing to do, you just promote racist views and behaviour.
#7 - Herve St-Louis - 08/04/2009 - 09:02
Leroy....Obama handled the situation like a rank amateur. Let me also remind you, he's never had executive experience prior to the office he now holds. He's voted 130 times present in his short tenure in the senate. He got $800,000 to an arm or ACORN during his campaign (and only declared it accurately when pressed and admonished). Community Organizing is his game. He reverted to his community organizer roots by reflexively implying racial profiling and misconduct by the police. I watched Obama's National health informercial that day...the last question (pertaining to Gates' arrest) was off script and once again Obama failed the test (the teleprompter couldn't answer the question for him). He started well by saying he didn't have the facts..and should have left a localised incident right there...but then the "community organizer" had to show himself and imply wrongdoing or ineptitude by the police and show solidarity with his "friend" (let's also note, he fired an inspector general for investigating another "friend" of his and has given no credible reason for it). And had it been an actual burglary? Gates' opinion of the police wouldn't be any different. The call from the neighbour didn't even mention the then suspected burglars' race. She herself now has been targeted and ridiculed by leftist elements for her call to the police. A civil gesture and now she's a target? Gates has a history of race baiting. You're in a very precarious position to say otherwise. Gates was warned repeatedly to settle down, he decided he wouldn't and even invoked Crowley's mother....he got a timeout..just as any disruptive element on the street would get..white or black or "otherwise". No charges were pressed because it didn't warrant a court hearing. Why waste taxpayer money on a hotheaded race baiter? The best you'd get is a fine out of Gates. The worst would be a national podium for his nachronistic/race baiting views. It wasn't worth pursuing. My vindication is in the national polls, Obama's been seen as mishandling the situation. His "beer summitt" was nothing but a photo op. Contrived and staged for Obama to attempt to rehabilitate himself in the public eye after his snafu.
#8 - Tel... - 08/04/2009 - 15:27
Herve...I won't indulge your elitst musings for too long here. Did you pout when you had to type you didn't know if Crowley is racist or not? You came across as quite churlish. Just admit it, he's not a racist, unlike Gates. Does that grate so much against your ideology to admit he's not a racist? You inadvertedly reinforced my point when you tried to ridicule me for saying Crowley saved a prominent black man's life. You robotically went to the "hey I've got black friends therefore I'm not racist" cliche' to impose stigma where there is none. None at all. Why Herve? Crowley's obviously a good policeman and has acted competently and professionally in meeting his responsibilities. Gates on the other hand, reflexively played the race card. You missed that part?
#9 - Tel... - 08/04/2009 - 15:53
Why Obama?
Tel, I'd like to remind you that the Crowley affair is not about Obama. So why do you spend all your time attacking him, instead of dealing with Crowley? Seems like you still can't swallow the fact that your president is black. Get over it.

Again, whether Crowley is racist or not, is something he has to deal with in his soul and with his maker. But the issue of racial profiling is real and it did occur in this case. You don't need to be a racist to practice racial profiling. The act itself, however is racist.

About the "hey I've got black friend/my wife's third cousin is married to... therefore I'm not racist" cliche, you obviously didn't understand that I was describing your behaviour, not mine.

Someone is projecting a lot here.

If Crowley had acted competently, the charges against Gates would not have been dropped because they would have been justified. As the charges were quickly dropped, it seems like someone made a mistake somewhere. And that mistake is not the person whose mugshot was taken by the authorities.

I may be an elitist, but at least my arguments are based on sound reasoning, not blind hatred and an attempt to correct a wrong perceived (in your case, the affront of Obama making it to the White House as your president ). You base your entire arguments on Obama's past as a community organizer instead of dealing with the actual topic.

If we're gonna start looking at past president's resumes, let me tell you, there have been a lot of people with lack of skills and experience that held the job before. One of them was considered a third rate Hollywood actor and still rose to occasion when he had the opportunity.

Obama may have been a lowly community organizer, but at least he has educational credential that most presidents before him lacked. Judge him on what he does right now in the White House, not on his past resume.
#10 - Herve St-Louis - 08/04/2009 - 21:34
Thanks for the heads up, Herve, but...
Frankly, I don't give a shit about what people like Tel or Logan6 have to say if they can't use their real names. They don't like Obama or Gates; they don't have to and I'm sure the Prez and the Prof. care about their likes and bigotries as much as I do, which ain't much.
#11 - Leroy Douresseaux - 08/04/2009 - 21:53
Ah Herve...still the shrill elitist?
You're still not getting it are you? This never was about Crowley..it's about Gates' bigotry. Crowley's record is spotless and your trying to "finesse" with HE MAY or MAY NOT be a racist is testament to your own prejudices and flawed perpectives. He isn't a racist, there's no credible evidence to even suggest it..just admit it Herve. Gates IS a racist though. He displayed it openly.

LOL...Judge Obama on what he does right now Herve? Ok lets! But it's quite a list-

He's quadrupled the deficit with the largest expenditure in U.S. history. (Please...don't insult me with "he inherited a recession from Bush" 2006 Bush's budget brought in lower deficit numbers than projected because his tax breaks worked...then the Democrats won congress. Bush's large expenditure was not something I endorse either but Obama's simply dwarfs it. TARP1 should have never happened, it set the precedent for Obama's own spending spree....Bush's administration tried to get Fannie and Freddie moved to a different department, the democrats stopped it. 2005, McCain put his name to a move to investigate Fannie and Freddie again, the democrats blocked it again. Democrats campaigned for lower lending standards fro years, and succeeded. This led to the financial sector abuses of these new lowered standards, which led to the mortgage and credit meltdown- had people like Barney Frank exercised proper oversight..as is his appointed task..this could have been far less painful). The Chinese have made it clear (they openly laughed at Geithner recently..look it up) they're not prepared to continue to carry our debt. But Obama keeps creating a bigger debt just the same.

Obama's current massive expenditure will indenture generations to pay it off. An expenditure that's seen only government jobs grow...nothing else. Do I have to tell you that public sector growth does not promote economic growth Herve? I work in the investment industry Herve..trust me, I know what I'm talking about.

Along with Obama's nebulous "3 to 4 million jobs "saved" or created"...he's lost over 2 million on his watch alone so he's now in the tank for 5 to 6 million at this point..again after he assured he'd save jobs or create jobs if we let him rush his bill through.
His "green" czar (ah...those czars eh tovarich?) can't even define a "green" job..another of Obama's "promises" in his stimulus bill.."create green jobs". You need a credible market to sustain an industry Herve..Barry forgot that?

Obama wants to raise cap gains taxes. Historically, lower cap gains taxes create higher government revenue. The principle is simple, lower the tax and more buying and selling occurs, thus more revenue generated. This week, government revenue was reported to be the lowest since WWII. But Obama wants to raise cap gains taxes, when asked why during the primaries..he said "it's not fair"..no elaboration, no explanation..just "it's not fair".

Obama's trying to pass Cap and Trade..the largest tax hike in U.S. history. He's openly admitted it's effects would "necessarily skyrocket costs for Americans". Spain has a "green" economy too Herve. It's running at 13% unemployment. Has lost 2.2 jobs for every 1 "green" job created and will be subsidizing "green" jobs for the foreseeable future. Look it up.

Unemployment rose to 9.5% (and rising) AFTER Obama assured us that if he rushed his "stimulus" bill through it wouldn't go over 8%. The bill he never read but "bold and swift action was needed". His own vice president is now telling us Obama "misread" the economy....no kidding eh Herve? By the way, how's Sheriff Joe working out for you?

Obama's treasury secretary is a tax cheat who is now (along with other democrats) telling us middle class tax hikes are not off the table (of course Obama is denying they will happen..he "has no choice" but to say that right now)..what's Geithner's euphemism for the threat of these taxes?..Ah yes.."we have no choice".

Obama fires a CEO of GM and appoints the UAW to take over it. His administration couldn't even get the simple formula for "cash for clunkers" down-Maximum number of new cars to be sold multiplied by the maximum money amount to be given for said number of cars. And by the way, it's foreign cars outselling the domestic brands in this "cash for clunkers" give away. Look it up.

He closed Gitmo without a plan to close it (he's now paying other countries to take these detainees..Palau ring a bell?).

He's admitted he wants to bankrupt coal using enterprises. He's admitted he wants to insinuate national health into this country (his own .gov website today is asking for "brown shirts" to send him "fishy" reports that dissent against his "bill"). The communists used to demand the same thing...inform on your neighbour, your friend, your family if they speak against the state too.

He's telling us his health bill is "deficit neutral" but the non-partisan CBO is telling us it's going to cost us into the trillions...and it's still partially unfunded in any case. Let me guess...you think "millionaires" will keep paying for this don't you Herve?

There's a lot more Herve...this is just what came to mind off hand.

Spin away Herve..good luck.
#12 - Tel... - 08/05/2009 - 13:01
Again...
Tel (it's kinda stupid to call someone Tel, why don't you use your real name - afraid people might think you're an arrogant racist?)

As I wrote above, the Crowley affair is not about Obama. It's about racial profiling which is real in the United States. I can't vote for Obama so telling me that you don't like what he's done is a moot point. Whether I agree or not, I can't change a single thing about what he's doing in Washington, because I am not American.

But denouncing racial profiling, which is what Leroy and Gates have done is something I can support. The game about switching the blame, putting it on the victim, instead of the perpetrator is an old tactic that unfortunately doesn't pass the smell test. Gates is the one that was put in jail on charges that were dropped. He's the victim.

Denying that racial profiling exist, trying to shift the blame and even changing the discussion to focus on Obama, only shows to what extent you are willing to deny that millions of Americans feel like they are profiled by police officers every day and that this situation is unacceptable. It is only acceptable if you share the opinions of Logan6 (another guy who can't use his name to make an argument).

Nowhere in this thread have you remotely denounced racial profiling or even accepted that it was a reality for a lot of your fellow Americans. Instead, you pull out the jingoist verbiage and attack the record of your president instead of listening and observing that the Gates/Crowley affair became a big deal, because racial profiling is a disturbing occurrence in the United States.

Rant about Obama all you like. It doesn't change a thing about racial profiling in the USA. It's a problem and it needs to stop.
#13 - Herve St-Louis - 08/05/2009 - 20:52
No Herve, this isn't about profiling, it's about Gates' race baiting and in turn, Obama's amateur handling of a localised incident and his own obvious bias. It always was. Why? Because no profiling took place during this incident, the caller didn't even specify the suspected burglars' race (yet the left targeted her just the same). Would you have felt better if Sgt Lashley, the black policeman present, carried out the arrest Herve? Oh wait..then he's an uncle Tom right Herve? He sent a letter to Obama saying he's now being called an Uncle Tom by lefties like you anyway Herve, did you know that? Perhaps you're one of them?

Does all that still elude you Herve? Or does it upset your obvious prejudices to admit it? I'll wager on the latter.

Good old Herve got served so he runs right to the "you're a racist" implied stigma move. Wow..the extent of your indoctrination is eyeopening. You prove my point again. The robotic race baiter needs a "boogie man" so Herve tries to make me one. You're quite pathetic.

Let's see if I get this "logic" Herve..I don't display my full name therefore it somehow "implies" that I'm a racist? LOL...you're such a good useful idiot Herve.

I value my privacy kid(I'm not of the facebook mindset) and you don't need my name for anything other than your peurile bait, try harder junior.




#14 - Tel... - 08/06/2009 - 13:23
Correction...
Tel, the way the story has been handled in the media, it has been presented as a racial profiling case. It's people like you that say it's about racial baiting, whatever that means.

Second, we have rules about discussions here. Check the About page of the site. Your insults have been tolerated, but not for long. If you want to continue this discussion, tone down. Take a cue from Gates and learn to behave.

You keep attacking my education, calling me a lefty, attacking the schools I went to, calling me an elitist. What school I go to and what personal political views are none of your business and attacking such matters which have nothing to do with the essence of this article shows that you're so bent on "winning" this debate, that you're willing to use dirty insults to make a point, when they are irrelevant to the discussion. Can't you argue this thing without making personal attacks? You did the same previous thread. The moment you were losing the debate, you turned to personal attacks on me and other posters.

About your privacy, I'd like to remind you, in case you didn't know, that I have a very good record of where you are posting from, and can easily get your ISP and authorities to release that information if needed. People think they can insult people and say anything on the Internet without impunity just by using a fake name. I'm sorry but the Web doesn't work like that anymore.

One more thing Tel, places like the Bin, are independent. That means that ultimately, you can't win this debate here. It's private property I own. I pay the bills. The moment I tire with you I can erase all your rants and forget you ever existed. And Leroy and the other writers you have dissed in the past, can continue writing about these issues and point of view that apparently frustrate your sensibilities and there's nothing you can do about it, except stop coming here.

It's time to behave now.
#15 - Herve St-Louis - 08/06/2009 - 23:32

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